Read this passage from the introduction of Fahrenheit 451:
Ideas - written ideas - are special. They are the way we
transmit our stories and our thoughts from one generation
to the next. If we lose them, we lose our shared history. We
lose much of what makes us human. And fiction gives us
empathy: it puts us inside the minds of other people,
gives us the gift of seeing the world through their eyes.
Fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over.
Write a paragraph that answers the questions below. Use textual evidence for part c.
- What do you think he means by “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over”?
- Do you agree with the idea? Why or why not?
- What true things do you think your book is telling us about what we need to be human?
- Do you think our shared history is something that makes us human? Explain.
A. What he means by that is, although fiction is made up, it can have themes that are very true in real life.
ReplyDeleteB. I do agree with the idea because any and all works of fiction can send powerful messages that are true and sometimes relatable with the reader.
C. I think my book is telling me that in order to be human, we need to find a way to tell the truth about ourselves, as according to Captain Beatty, the government worried about minorities being upset when he talks about how books became illegal: "'All the minor minor minorities with their navels to be kept clean. Authors, full of evil thoughts, lock up your typewriters. They did... Books, so the damned snobbish critics said, were dishwater.'" (Bradbury 55). As the minorities worried about books, the government banned them to make them happy, thus removing the truth from the public as well.
D. Our shared history is definitely something that makes us human, since we can learn from the bad things that happened as a species and attempt to have everyone equal in terms of rights.
Also for the end of c:
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A: I think when he says "Fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over." Is say to us that even though fiction is made up and not real. There are many things in these made up stories that relate to whats real in our lives and can actually teach us lessons just like stories that are actually real.
ReplyDeleteB: I think fiction can teach us the same ideas that realistic stories can because in fiction, you can use things reality can not such as advanced technology and other creative sources. So fiction could very well be more powerful than realistic stories.
C: I think the book is telling us that to be human is to be able to have the freedom to do and think what you think is right as that makes us all unique human beings. Even though I read F451, I know that in The Giver, every thing is planed out for them (job, position, etc) and while this may not sound bad, this loses the freedom we get as humans and ultimately lose our right of calling ourselves "humans". In F451, we get to see that the people living in the book, are bound to rules and can not read books to stop certain minority groups and so, there are firemen (who burn instead of save) and almost everyone reacts based on the laws the government has made. Each fireman has the rules of "Answer the alarm quickly, Start the fire swiftly, Burn everything, Report back to the firehouse immediately, Stand alert for other alarms." (Bradbury 32. ) And everyone acts accordingly to those laws. Which makes them almost robots and robots does not equal human.
D: I think that our shared history is something that makes us human because if we did not share a history as a specie, then we might of shared a history with a beetle, therefore not being human. (I think we would still be human but we would be "Beetle-human" not a good idea...)
ReplyDeleteI think that "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" means fiction may be fake but it still gives us truths about life. From the Giver I think that the author is aging that if you are a human you need to be able to have freedom to make the right decisions and be able to handle the consequences. Yea I agree because you need to able to make the right decision in life to live a good life instead of goverment doing it for you. You need to free to be a human. " even waited moths or years for spouse to be announced"( giver 48). Yes I do you need to know about the past to make sure that something bad that happened will never happen again.
The quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" relates to the theme of Fahrenheit 451. I think that the author is trying to say that although fiction may be based on a fake plot and fake characters, the message can be true. The moral of a fictional story can teach us important values and ideas that apply to real life. I agree with this statement, and it has been true for countless books I have read in the past. The book Fahrenheit 451 is trying to tell us that we need spend time with the people that are important to us, not our technology. If we continue to stare at our phones, than we will lose what is important, like Mildred. Instead of spending time with her husband, Mildred spends more time with her walls of television. Mildred constantly asks Montag "how long you figure before we save up and get the fourth wall-TV put in? It's only two thousand dollars" (Bradbury 18). Mildred is lost in her technology and no longer cares about her husband nearly as much as her television walls. I think that our shared history defiantly makes us human. Without knowledge of the past, we would be vulnerable to make the same mistakes, as history repeats itself. We must learn from our mistakes. With this being said, the quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" is surely related to the theme of Fahrenheit 451.
ReplyDeleteWhen it says "Fiction is a lie that tells us true things", it is saying that with fiction you can see through the eyes of the main character.It gives us the ability to live lives that we wouldn't have lived otherwise. It tells us the truth about how the fictional person and their lives. It gives us the truth about what is it like to live in the world they live in. You don't feel what they feel, therefore you lose empathy. Fiction is a fake story that tells us the true feelings and events in the fictional person's life.
ReplyDeleteYes, the reader feels and think the way the person does. They see their rise and downfall. They feel what they would of felt if it was real, and that is what empathy is. Empathy is the power to feel what others feel, and books are good practice for helping to feel empathy.
The book is telling the reader that without knowledge of the past and our written history, we will be dumb. And without the power of fiction, we can't feel empathy. Without the intelligence of books, "school is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually, gradually neglected..." (Bradbury 53).
Our shared history I something that makes us human because in order to understand each other, we need to learn about out past and how things worked back then. Fictional books help us feel empathy for people by helping us show empathy for the character in the book. Our written history is something that makes us human.
A. I think that by saying, "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over," the author is trying to say that although fiction is fake it usually comes with an important message.
ReplyDeleteB. Yes, I strongly agree with authors creating messages from fictional stories. One example is the tortoise and the hare. Authors create stories which may seem absurd but once you really think about it, it's very meaningful.
C. I think the book is trying to tell us that if we keep progressing in such a manor that we are we will be clueless and brainwashed in a short time period.
D. Yes, our shared history is something that makes us human. I think so because evolution has been with us as a species since the first human beings. Societies learn from one another to advance, therefore, learning and going forward. Also, humans learn from their mistakes and become better through their mistakes.
What differentiates humans from other members of the animal kingdom is our ability to have cognitive thought and relate to the emotions of others. Everyone in the world has had different experiences. It is possible for you to live in the same culture as someone else or for your life events to be similar, but that doesn’t mean that you are the same. I believe that what shapes us as people is a mix of what we have done in our lives in addition to genetics. There are personality traits and physical characteristics that we get from our parents which partially influence who we are, but the real shaping, we get from the world. Our world. However, not all of our knowledge is actually our own. As Neil Gaiman said, “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over.” This basically means that although the story may be untrue, the ideas and events behind it are inspired by the experiences of real people. This allows the reader to gain the knowledge attained during that event through reading the story. This makes a lot of sense given our abyss of knowledge, that is too vast to have come from a single person’s mind. We share knowledge with others through literature, which allows all of us to be a witness to events that we did not get the opportunity to have in our own lives. Sharing our history gives us an opportunity to express our emotions and feelings with others. This enables people to relate to one another, even if they have not had the exact same experiences. Part of what makes us human is this relationship between ourselves and others. Literature also gives you the common sense needed to not be blindly led by your instincts and the need to survive, as animals are. Without literature, we are the same as any animal you would find in the wild, in a sense.
ReplyDeleteIn Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury, the people in the society are forbidden to read, which puts them all in turmoil. They distract themselves with pass times, dangerous or idle pastimes that is, such as going to a “Fun Park to bully people around, break windowpanes in the Window Smasher place or wreck cars in the Car Wrecker place with the big steel ball”(page 27), because they have not learned from books the benefit of living civilized, knowledgeable lifestyles. People here have even started losing their compassion and regard for others as shown when Clarisse says, “When I talk, you look at me. (...) The others would walk off and leave me talking. Or threaten me. No one has time any more for anyone else.”(Page 21) People here are losing their humanity and most of them don’t even realize it. The ones who do, like the “woman that stayed in a burning house,”(Page 39) for her books, don’t have the power to make a change. They are unable to aid the society in regaining its poise because the people aren't wise enough to understand how horrible their lives truly are. It is imperative that people in our society and theirs read books and keep the essence of what makes us human in tact.
A. When he means that fiction tells lies that are true over and over, he means that fiction stories always have a theme, this also applies to songs. Even the bad ones.
ReplyDeleteB.Yes, because fiction books are not real but they give us messages about real life and what we should be aware of so we do not make the same mistake again.
C.what I believe the book is saying is that you should have equal rights. The book says "Almost all community members had dark eyes, with a few exceptions of Jonas and a female 5". However this means that life would be boring if we were all perfectly equal and people would not be able to express their abilities and what they excel in. This proves that everyone in the giver has equal traits.
D.Yes, because without human history, we would not be able to create these kinds of societies in our minds. It gives us more ideas to think about. Shared experiences help show the world at different perspectives.
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ReplyDeleteA) He means by saying,"fiction is a lie that tells us the true things, over and over", that a fiction story is meant to be not real, but the meaning behind the story is important and is true.
ReplyDeleteB) Yes, I agree with the idea because I feel like it's fun to read a fiction story, but I also feel like if you can understand what the author is trying to portray, then the story will be meaningful and important.
C) Fahrenheit 451 is telling us about being human by expressing that knowledge is important. Even though in the book that the area banned books, it's still important to people that want to learn and gain knowledge by breaking the law. In the book, people aren't allowed to have any knowledge of the past. "He spoke the words haltingly and with a terrible self-consciousness. He read a dozen pages here or the and came at last to this: It is computed, that Ellen thousand persons have at several time suffering death rather than submit t break their eggs at the smaller end"(65). The book is trying to tell us that books, and knowing about the past is important for us to grow and learn.
D) Our shared history is important to us in society today. Shared history makes us human because we learn from one another about important events that happen in the past which helps us learn and grow. If we didn't learn about the past then no one would have ever gained knowledge about what has happened and how it impacted places, people, and things. We would definitely be more curious about the past if we hadn't learned it.
ReplyDeleteI think that the statement "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over, and over" means that even though fiction is fake, there is always some truth hidden in it, whether it's the story line, or the message behind the book that makes you think a little deeper. I agree with the statement because most science fiction books show us what would happen is something in our modern world changed. These normally focus on what is wrong or right with society, and it throws it for a big change. The interpretations of the world even though they seem crazy, actually have some truth behind it. They take the modern world, which has a lot of truth in it, and turns it into something different. However, the elements of truth are still there. An unspoken rule is that people don't mention things about other people that are different. Right now everyone wants equality and to not be judged. Jonas described it by saying "no one mentioned such things; it was not a rule, but was considered rude to call attention to things that were unsettling or different about individuals," (Pg 20). I think that shared history makes us human because we need to know the good and bad things of the past in order to work from it and make sure the bad things don't happen again. We need to be aware of the bad things in life in order to work on from them and grow from it. If we didn't know our history, then many bad things in history would repeat itself leaving us unable to do anything about it.
When he says “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over” he means that all of the stuff in fiction is made up and is not true but it brings up ideas that are true and also the themes that are in fiction can apply to real life
ReplyDeleteI do agree with what they said because most of the stuff they say in fiction is not true but their is always a theme behind it and those themes apply to real life.
The book is telling us as human we need their to be less chaos like wars and also their shouldn't be many decisions we have to make, all of the decisions should be made for us, but we do need to have these decisions for ourselves to actually live a good full life. "You know the rules, two children, one male, one female" (Lowry 8) they can't make decisions for themselves so they can not really do what they want, what happens in their life is already decided for themselves.
Our shared history helps make us human because since we know about what happened in the past we can remember the mistakes we made and we make sure to do things different and not make those mistakes again.
I think the statement "fiction is a lie that tell us true things, over and over." means a fictional book hide a very important message. The message can tell you important stuff or wise words. I agree because some authors write books that are fake but they can have a cause for writing the story. Fahrenheit 451 is telling us that not everything should be "against the law"(5). And although laws are good the amount of laws in Fahrenheit 451 is outrageously strict. We should still have some laws but we shouldn't have 'dumb' laws. We need shared history because documents like the Magna Carta and Declaration of Independance help us have rights and to be human we should be able to live a free life and have some rules.
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ReplyDeleteI think when the passage says "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" means that fiction is a lie because it is a made up story, but, the theme is true. That means that the message that the author is trying to convey is relevant to today's society. I agree with this idea because in the fiction story's I've read, they are not true stories, but they are trying to convey a message that people in today's world should know. I think that the book is trying to say that being human consists of making choices, wether they are easy or hard. There is a law in the book that states, "Two children- one male, one female- to each family unit. It was written very clearly in the rules" (8). I think that our history is a vital part that makes us human because we need to learn from the past so we can plan for the future. We need to know about people in the past and what they did in order to move on better in life. In conclusion even though fiction is not true, the message behind it is.
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DeleteYou make good points. I especially like how you interpreted the theme of your book: being human means that you have to make your own choices in life.
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ReplyDeleteI think the author is trying to explain that fiction is a lie, but it also tells us things that are true. The things that are a lie are parts of the setting and something's that go on in the society. But things that are real are the moral and theme. The theme of the book is that no one is perfect despite how hard you try to make someone or yourself perfect.
I agree with this because they tell us and teach us things that other types of texts can't teach us. I think that fictional stories are a big lie. But they are a big lie that teaches us things. They teach us things that non fictional texts can't teach us. The stories tell us all types of things from futuristic dystopias to middle age Utopias. Fictional stories teach us lessons, morals, and themes that some non fiction can't show us.
One true things is that everyone does makes mistakes regardless of this "utopia". Jonas was talking to his mom about," the rules say that if there's a third transgression, he simply has to be released" (9). The people in the book know that nobody is perfect. So they gave everyone three transgressions before that person would be released. In the community you could also sign up to be released. For some people,"if you don't fit in, you can apply for elsewhere and be released" (48). Some people don't fit in to there societies. So they would move away to somewhere else. Much like in real life people in the giver "move" away to elsewhere. Overall, all humans make mistakes regardless of how perfect you are. Also if people don't fit in to a society they could "move".
Yes our shared history is something that makes us human. Our history is what tells us what we did wrong and what we could do to fix those problems. If you don't know about your history you will never now how to fix problems or prevent them from starting.
A: I think when he says "Fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over", he is trying to say that even though fiction is not real, it can still teach us lessons about real life.
ReplyDeleteB: I agree with it because even though some fictional stories use magic and superhuman skills, these stories still contain very powerful morals that can be applied to everyday life.
C. I feel that The Giver is trying to say that we need to take risks in our life to be human, and having everything already planned out for us from the start takes away this aspect of being human. In the novel, people don't get to choose anything in their lives. Their job, their spouse, and their children are all controlled by the government. It is at the Ceremony of Twelve when people are given their "assignment". Even though people like Jonas know that these jobs have been pre-selected, they are "certain that at his Assignment, whatever it was to be, would be the right one for him" (Lowry 49). Instead of having to go through all the trouble of finding and applying to a job, everyone is just given their job. One of the many aspects of being human is finding a potential mate and reproducing, but in "The Giver", people fill out a form and send it away to get their spouse and children.
D. Our shared history is something that makes us human. From our history, we can learn what worked and what didn't work and learn from our mistakes. If we did not have a shared history as humans, we would continuously do things that did not work and we would never make any progress as a species.
I think “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over” means that fiction is a fake reality meant to tells "truths" or teach us lessons about reality, and things we should change or pay attention to. Fiction is a fake reality, used to show us the good or bad things about our society in real life. The truths it tells us depends on what the fictional society is based on, like in Fahrenheit the society gets rid of learning about history, and books. It's telling us that our past is what makes us all human and diverse. I do agree with this idea. I think fiction stories are fake versions of reality meant to tell us lessons about real life. Lessons like we shouldn't forget about the past, because it is important in making the future for our family for generations to know where they come from. I think the story I am reading is showing us a reality that could happen if we get rid of books. And if we spend all our time going so fast, speeding through life instead of spending time to slow down and enjoy it, and get yourself involved in the history and culture of your society. In the book the society is in chaos and this could happen to our society if we forget about the past, books, and speed through life. I do think our shared history makes us human. Those are our ancestors, and it's where we come from and what makes us different.
ReplyDeleteA: The quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over", means that even though fiction isn't a real, practical idea, it can still have true statements and themes.
ReplyDeleteB: Yes, I do agree with this idea because many fictional books that I've read, have had true messages that are relatable to the reader's life.
C: I think my book is trying to tell us that, we should be able to have a say in what we can and can't do and have some freedom. For example Montag doesn't want to burn the old lady's books. Of course with him having a boss, to over power his decisions, he has to burn the poor lady's books, "Montag, up here!...Don't stand there, idiot!...Kerosene!" (Bradbury 34-35). As you can see Montag is being harassed by his boss, on what to do, and also has no say on what he wants and doesn't want to do.
D: Yes, I do think our shared history is what makes us human. When you really think about the past, you think about all of the mistakes that, we, humans, have been through. We have bounced back from these mistakes to make the negatives in life, positive. We also think about all of the amazing things from the past, that we have made even more amazing. As time goes by, we make improvements in our daily lives everyday. So with this being said, I do think that history is what makes us human.
A. I believe that he is saying that fiction is partially truth, repeated over and over in depicted end ways.
ReplyDeleteB. No, I do not agree with this idea because I believe that fiction is mostly false and only a small amount is repeated.
C. I think that is is saying that to be human, we need independence and not always listen to the rules, that is what makes us unique. This is shown in the book because of the paper Jonas gets for his job.
D. Yes, our history of how we got here partially makes us human, but to be truly human, you need to be unique, and every person is unique in their own way.
"Fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" is a great quote. This quote means that in fiction which is a story that is not true tells us anything that may happen and can relate to us. These books can teach us lessons and can do it in many different ways with the vast variety of books. I do agree with the idea because the situations that each fiction book brings up can be an actual real life situation with minor differences like setting and characters. It is easier to express your idea with fiction books with an in depth way compared to situations that are actually true because you cannot repeat the idea. With fiction, you can with many different examples and just be abstract with your idea which makes the book very interesting. I think Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury is saying the humans need intelligence to know what you are doing and give empathy. For Montag, he just does the same thing over and over again. "Answer the alarm quickly, start fire swiftly, burn everything, report back to firehouse immediately, stand alert for other alarms."(Bradbury 32) That is just not human at all, they don't even think about what they are doing, just follow instructions and that's it. Our shared history is something that makes us human and this because we can learn our mistakes from the past and fix them to make it better.
ReplyDelete(A) this shows that fiction are told over and over again because in the giver they don't know anything about the past so they hear things from the past that they think are fake but they are really true so they denie the truth
ReplyDelete(B) yes because the things that they are saying are true but the people in the community are saying the facts are not true even though they are
(C) we need to have emotions and know things about the past because without that the world would be different and that would be bad
(D) yes because we know certain things that help change the way we do things and that makes our societies the same and different
A. "Fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over" means that fiction could make us up as humans and make the world how it is now. The quote could also mean that fiction is not just fiction it could happen if we continue with certain actions as people on earth. A great example is the books we are reading now F451 and The Giver because if we continue with our actions we could be in a world that is not enjoyable and is just to simply survive and to not really live.
ReplyDeleteB. I do agree on the idea in certain circumstances because the world could turn out to be just like in the books because of something we did in the past that will effect the future in which we as humans and citizens should not know.
C. I think our book is telling that we need to acknowledge the past because it effects the future because we can't change the past. In Fahrenheit it is trying to tell us that we need to keep track of the past and what happens because it can change how we live and what we do in our lives.
D. I do agree that our shared history makes us who we are as humans. From our history we can know we're we come from and who we are and what our purpose is in life.
I think that what Ray Bradbury means by "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over", is that although fiction is made up, the message the author is trying to convey is very true. For example, you can't "make up" new emotions, so every emotion put into a passionate author's work is very genuine. And the messages and themes that authors put in their books almost always relate to real life. Though we may only be reading fiction for enjoyment, that authors are basically putting in subliminal messages that can relate to our lives. I agree with this idea. By putting these themes into books, you can both educate and entertain your readers. In Fahrenheit 451, there are many of these messages put in their. Most of these explain what it means to be human. For example, everyone seems to be so caught up in their technology that they hardly ever pay attention to nature. Part of being human is to react to and explore their surroundings. The government censors everything and burns books, to keep their citizens controlled. To be human is to learn about your history, and how your world works. Our shared history is definitely something that makes us human. Every little insignificant thing done by a human leads up to how our society is today. We learn from the bad things, and keep the good things.
ReplyDeleteWhen an author says “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over”, it is basically stating that you can see things from the perspective of the main character or, it basically wants you to look from the perspective of the fictional character. Additionally, it tells us the ups and downs of the main character's life. You don't feel what they feel which means no empathy to us. I strongly agree with the statement. Readers feel what the character in the book feels. They see the dark side of life and the bright side of life. The character feels what they would of felt in our real world life. In fact, that's called empathy. Additionally, empathy is the power to feel what others feel. In fact, books and magazines are a great way to gain or feel empathy. The book Fahrenheit 451, is trying to explain use both descriptive language and non deceptive language, that in life, knowledge is power. To be more specific, if we had no books, magazines, and even ancient history, then we would not be intelligent species we are to this day, we would dumbfounded, and feeble minded. Not to mention, without the book genre of fiction, then we would have no empathy at all. Withoutthe intelligence of books and history , "School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored" (Bradbury 53). Our history that is passed down from generation to generation, results in our becoming human, and be able to understand and learn more about our own species. Everyday, humans are learning about our past and past generations, and how they were run and what they were like. In our society, fictional books and characters play a huge role by having us show empathy to the book's character or characters. Beyond the shadow of doubt, our historical writing, books, historical empires, and ancient artifacts, are what makes us a very strong intelligent human species.
ReplyDeleteI think "fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over." means that even though fiction is not real, it does teach us a lesson about life based on what the characters go through in the book.
ReplyDeleteB) I strongly agree with this because I never really thought about this quote but now that I think about it, it makes sense. Fiction stories always have a lesson they want to teach you by showing what the characters are going through. They teach a lesson that helps you in life. Authors make fictional stories fun and enjoyable but it also comes with a lesson you need.
C) Fahrenheit 451 is trying too teach us not too be too dependent on technology and that it is important to get an education and have knowledge because it is very helpful in life. On page 5, Clarisse says " Do you ever read any of the books you burn." and Montag responds "that's against the law!". The author is trying to let us know that books help you gain knowledge they should never be destroyed. If we didn't have books and literature, our world would be messed up like the world in the book Fahrenheit 451. On page 51, it says "once, books appealed to a few people,here, there, everywhere. They could afford to be different. The world was roomy." The author is trying to show that books are great and that they are important.
D. Yes I agree that our shared history is something that makes us human because we try not to repeat mistakes that happened in the past. And that's what the author is kind of thing to do, he is showing the dystopian world in Fahrenheit 451 and is hoping that in the future, our world will not be like this.
I like the quotes you used to support the theme of the book. I agree that the book is saying that we shouldn't become too dependent on technology and that we should instead cherish "old-fashioned" things like books, and the knowledge they give us.
DeleteA. I think when the author says "Fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over," is that fiction is not real but the ideas that come from it are real.
ReplyDeleteB. I agree with the idea. Fiction is obviously made up but some of the things that you can learn from the book can actually apply to real life.
C. I think the author is telling us that we need books to be human. Books give ideas. "They are the way we transmit our stories and our thought from one generation to the next." That is what makes us human. "If we lose them, we lose our shared history." Unfortunetly, we lose what makes us human. Plus, "fiction gives us empathy: it puts us inside the minds of other people, gives us the gift of seeing the world through their eyes."
D. Yes. Our shared history is what makes us human because they communicated ideas that impact our lives today.
A) The quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" means that even though fiction in not real, we can still learn lots from fiction articles
ReplyDeleteB) Yes, because if you read fiction articles you can still learn lots of information from them
C) We have to have laws but not strict laws and we have to have freedom also. One of the strict laws is a family has to have two children " one male—' one female—to each family unit..."(Lowry 8).
D) Yes, our shared history is what makes us human because other people passed around ideas that dramatically impacted our lives today
By "fiction is a lie that tells us truths, over and over" the author means that fiction is a made-up story that conveys true things about life. I completely agree with this statement. In most fictional texts, there are certain aspects that portray a particular theme, or a message that the author is showing the reader about life. The true thing, or message, that the author of The Giver is trying to tell us is that we need to make our own choices, and figure out if they are right or not on our own in order to be truly human. We should be able to choose something that we are genuinely happy doing in our lives. "Jonas was certainly glad that that assignment was taken; he wouldn't have wanted it" (Lowry 53). When Lois Lowry told the readers that Jonas wouldn't have wanted a certain Assignment, it showed readers that he wouldn't have had a choice. Even if he didn't like the job, he would've had to pursue the career anyways. Additionally, we have to decide our own futures, not have someone else plan out our lives for us. In the book it says, "...you will be trained to be our next Receiver of Memory...he did not know what what he was to become. Or what would become of him" (Lowry 64). Lois Lowry, by showing that Jonas is unsure of his future in the Assignment he was given, is telling readers that we'll be better off if we choose our own futures, so that we are sure of ourselves. We should have the right to choose whether or not we share how we feel. "This evening he almost would have preferred to keep his feelings. But it was, of course, against the rules" (Lowry 9). Jonas was written to not want to share what he was feeling, but he had no choice but to share them anyway. By writing this, the author conveys that we should be able to choose if we tell people how we feel. It shouldn't be forced. I completely think that our shared history is something that makes us human. Knowing what we have done in the past is extremely important. If we were all ignorant of our pasts, then we wouldn't understand our mistakes, or know pain and sadness, which may not be pleasant but it's a part of living, and being human.
ReplyDeleteWhen Bradbury wrote, “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over,” he meant that the fictional stories that authors write—the made up characters, plot, setting—will convey a theme, a message, that helps the reader realize the true things about their society or surroundings. Many times, a book may have unrealistic plots and settings, however it will still convey a theme that’s applicable to real life and to the reader, and help guide the reader to many revelations about real life—the ‘truth’ in our society and lives. I agree with this idea because although many books are written for entertainment purposes, and are composed of unrealistic plots and events, they often send a message to the reader and teach them about life lessons.
ReplyDeleteFor example, “Fahrenheit 451” is a fictional story, however mentions many true things about real life. The characters live in a dystopian society where “not everyone was born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone made equal” (Bradbury 55). Meaning that people may not be born into a society where their government provides freedom, however, everyone is created the same way—everyone is equal. This holds true, and is applicable to many countries whose lives are dictated by a supreme leader. Although they do not all have equal rights and weren’t born into freedom, they were made equally—their existence in this world came about in the same way. Another point “Fahrenheit 451" makes that if “each man the image of every other; then all are happy, for there are no mountains to make them cower, to judge themselves against,” implying that if everyone were completely equal—no racial or gender discrimination—there would be no disagreements or conflict, gaining everyone eternal happiness (55-56). However, being “equal” with everyone should not mean not having originality and being the exact copy each other. The society Bradbury has created in “Fahrenheit 451” is an extreme example of equality, and being equal means that everyone must be entirely equal—in rights, personality, interests, knowledge, way of thinking. This prevents people, the characters, to grow as humans, and to be different from one another—to be unique. Clarisse guides Montag to the revelation of how flawed their society is, and that “ ‘People don’t talk about anything...they all say the same things and nobody says anything different from anyone else” (28). Although her presence in the story was short lived, she led Montag to seeing how static their society is as everyone is completely the same. Originality and complex thinking is banned since it’s seen as a possible cause of conflict. Bradbury to us is how Clarisse was to Montag—we should not conform to being a single type, and should always be unique from one another.
As the dominating species on this planet, our shared history does indeed make us human. We, as a species, have a great history and past—good and bad. Our past should not be forgotten as we should always be able to learn from our past mistakes in order for us to grow and develop. Humans are a very unique species as we are one of the only that have developed and evolved into being more complex than others; creating our own convoluted society and civilization. However, we have only gotten this far because of our history—our peaks, experiments, and mistakes. If we haven’t had such a history, or have completely forgotten about it, we wouldn’t have been able to learn from these events and correct our actions or continue with them.
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DeleteI really like how you talk about both good and bad history, that's a really good point. I totally agree with all of your explanations and opinions.
DeleteChrsitina, you do an excellent job when explaining both the good and bad parts of the quotes you chose. For instance, when you talked about how it would be good to be equal because there would be no racial discrimination and arguments, you also talked about how being the exact same copy of one another would not be good either, because you couldn't make yourself become a better person that way.
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DeleteFiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over. This is true because fiction isn't real life but it does have a theme that affects us today. If we don't follow this theme than we may end up like the dystopian society in the book. And the author has a good message to get across with the theme of the book. For Fahrenheit 451 the author is trying to say what would happen if the world stopped reading books and learning real information. The author is trying to portray what the world would look like if we didn't get real information if it was all false.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this idea because fiction isn't real but the message that the reader is trying to get across is right. So in some way the fiction books can help you learn but they also have many fictional elements as well. The message that the author wants to show in my book is that real information about the past is important for our future so we don't make the same mistakes.
In order to be human we have to have knowledge about what happened in the past to keep them from happening in the future. The information that they give to the people is not real it never happened. ""I'm tired of listening to this junk" said Mildred, turning from him to the announcer again."(Bradbury 62). None of their information is ever correct. The books that Montag has are full with correct information but they don't have good info " Cram them full of non combustible data and, chock them so dammed full of 'facts'"(Bradbury 58).
Yes I think shared history makes us human because we can remember bad things that happened to prevent them from happening again. We can also remember the good things that happen in our lives. This is important because with no common memory we would never learn from our lives. In conclusion, common memory is good because we remember what has happened in the past and grow smarter because of it. We also have good facts and information about our society.
I think that when the author says "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" he is trying to tell us that fiction is fake but teaches us real lessons. I do agree with this idea because every book has a message too it that can apply to our daily life. I think Fahrenheit 451 is telling us that books are needed in the society and we can't always use technology. "He read a dozen pages here or there and came at last to this(...) here now, said montag, we'll start over again, at the beginning." This quote is showing that books are important for people to learn and grow. if we rely on technology for everything, we won't become as smart as we need and won't be able to do things ourselves. Yes our shared history is something that makes us human because without it, we wouldn't be able to learn from our mistakes and continue to grow from them.
ReplyDeletea) In the introduction of Fahrenheit 451, it states that "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over." When it states that "fiction is a lie," it refers to the fact that fiction is not true. Characters and even events may be imaginary—it's not real. In other words, it is a "lie." However, in fiction, no matter how bizarre the plot, characters, and setting may be, one can find real, actual things. Oftentimes, these are emotions, theme, and the things that make us human. The pain of losing a loved one, the joy of being in love, the fear of dying, and more. These things are true because humans have experienced them, hence the words, "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over."
ReplyDeleteb) I agree with these words. Although fiction is fake, it still offers valuable insight on the world. Why are some novels considered to be superior to others? It's because they are heartrending, nostalgic, tear-inducing, funny, or action-packed. The fact that it may be a fictional story with characters who don't exist in real life, is unimportant. What makes literature so touching is that it stimulates our emotions. You don't have to believe that Hogwarts exists to have empathy and experience the emotions the characters are going through. In essence, that is why fiction is so popular; it sends a message to the reader about what it means to lead a fulfilling life.
c) In Fahrenheit 451, one of the themes is that people should take time to ponder things and gain knowledge. In the book, Clarisse McClellan mentions how she "'sometimes think[s] drivers don't know what grass is, or flowers, because they never see them slowly'" (Bradbury 6). The people of this society are racing through life and never stopping to observe and admire of the beauty of nature, much less the beauty of life. They don't take time to smell the roses, per se. Captain Beatty later describes the education in their society, saying "'cram them full of noncombustible data, chock them so damned full of 'facts' they feel stuffed, but absolutely 'brilliant' with information" (58). In their society, people pretend to be content with filling their heads with useless facts, but they don't realize they aren't happy because of the lack of deep thinking going on. Bradbury is showing us this glimpse of the future to warn us of what will happen if we stop being pensive.
d) Our shared history is something that makes us human. If we forget our past and our culture, then our lives aren't complete. Imagine if your parents forgot how they met, or if you forgot all of the things you ever did with your best friend. The parents might forget the love they once had for each other. The best friends might forget their friendship and how they came to be friends. When we forget events from the past, we also forget the feelings that came with each event. Whether it's a positive or a negative emotion, we still need these to be human.
In conclusion, although fiction is fake, it is based off of underlying themes that are true.
I really like how you incorporated how fast drivers don't even know what the grass looks like. It does a great job showing how the society is.
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ReplyDeleteThe statement "Fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over." Means that even if the story the author is writing is made up, and even though the characters aren't real, the plots,events and the reactions of the people feel In the book are real and apart of our everyday life. The themes of certain stories are themes that show up in everyday life that we can relate to. For instance, if there's a story about a girl named Melissa, and she's being bullied. Melissa isn't a real person, she's made up but bullying is a real life situation. So this means even if fiction stories aren't necessarily real life, they relate to life in the real world.
I agree with this statement because fictional stories usually send an important message. And even though the story and plot is fake, the story is sending a message.
I think the book is telling us that knowledge and having a good understanding of the world is what it means to be human. In Fahrenheit 451 schools are very dumbed down,and is less of a priority. "School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored" (Bradbury 53). This shows how there society could care less about education. Knowledge is a key concept in life that is essential for everyone.
I belive our shared history makes us who we are today. Without the memories from our past we wouldn't be able to reflect on them to improve our future.
A) In the quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over", I think the author means fiction is not real events, but can be based on real events. Fiction helps us understand important events easily, and can teach us real life lessons based on the past, or future.
ReplyDeleteB) I do agree with the idea that "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over". I agree because yes fiction is fake, non real. However, it can still give us a better understanding of something, or can be based on a real event, which is true.
C) I think my book, The Giver, is telling us true things that we need to be human such as to be human, we need choice in our life. The people in the Giver do not have this, everything is picked and selected by the government, or the committee. The quote "the assignments were scrupulously thought through by the Committee of Elders" (pg 49) shows how the people have no choice. However in our day, we have the choice of almost everything such as language, jobs, when we get a bicycle/when we can ride one. These are all things that we need to be human, which people in the Giver, do not have.
D) I think our shared history is something that makes us human. This is because we need to remember tragic events, for example 911, and the Boston marathon bombings to make us eligible to move on, and become stronger from these tragic events. History is something we need to remember so we can become stronger, and smarter as a whole. For example when America first gained its independence on July 4th, we remember this history, and we celebrate it as a whole country in America. We need to remember these important events, and these events make us human as a whole.
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ReplyDeleteA When the author explains "fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over again" in my opinion I believe the author is saying that fiction isn't real that it is fake but it can always teach us real lessons in life.
ReplyDeleteB yes I do agree with this message because I believe that every book or movie has its own message anyone can take it in a positive way as to be teaching us real life lessons.
C I think this book is teaching us so many different reasons why being human in a good thing but mainly because we have a lot more freedom then the people in the society of Giver, we aren't forced to take pills or wear ribbon in our hair we also don't have a restriction on when we are supposed to learn how to do many thing such as ride a bike. I think we need to be human because it teaches us how to live independently and progress it also makes us think more so we use our brains instead of following others commands.
D yes I believe that our shared history does impact our lives and is very important because forgetting the past can lead to other issues. We need to know how our ancestors lived life to make it better for us to grow as humans. We need education and culture to help us prosper which first started from our ancestors.
Fiction in it's very definition means that what is being told is not true, however a message is hidden within the made up story. This saying means that the story is not a real story but the hidden message, known as the theme, applies to real life. I agree with the idea because as made up as a fiction story is, there is always something that can be learned from the story. Any fiction story has a message that can open the reader's eyes to a new idea. I think Fahrenheit 451 is telling the reader that we actually have to be aware of what is going on, not only right now, but we must be aware of what has gone on in the past, so that we can learn from each other's mistakes and so we can affect the future. Having the ability to affect the future is part of being human. Without it all "humans" are not quite human. In Fahrenheit 451 it says, "‘Is it true that long ago firemen put fires out instead of going to start them? No. Houses have always been fireproof..." (Bradbury 6). This quote shows that Montag didn't know a major part of what went on in the past. He still thinks that firemen never put out fires and so he will continue to create fires because he believes it has always been that way. In the story it says, "‘Did you know that once billboards were only twenty feet long..I didn't know that!" (Bradbury 7). This also shows that he doesn't know simple things about the past such as billboards past sizes and so he is ignorant. I think the author is trying to show that nothing will change if we do not know about the past and that the knowledge of the past is the only ticket to affecting the future in the way that we wish to affect it. The author is showing that Montag is struggling to know the past, there for he may not change the future. He is showing us that we must know our history to be truly human, and he is showing this through Montag's character. Shared history does make us human. The past of humanity presents the reasons of why society is the way it is. If everyone was unhappy with the society, and we knew nothing of our past, we may not know how to change what we want to change in society.
ReplyDeleteI think fiction is fake with made up characters and plot. However,
ReplyDeletethe theme or moral of the story is the actual truth of a fiction book.
I do agree with this statement because it does let us live the life of
another. But he cool thing about fiction is that even though the plot
of the story is not real and the characters the book could be about a
time in history and it makes you feel like you were living in that
time period and how most people felt during wars or depressions in
history. I believe the book the giver is telling us that structure in
a community is very important. The giver is also telling us that to be
a structured society you shouldn't get to choose they was you life is
run and so that creates equality. On page 61 chapter 8 it states that
Jonas is now alone do to his assignment in his job which he really
didn't want to take but was forced too due to the community of elders
creating equality in their community "But the Receiver-in-Training ...
is to be alone, apart, while he is prepared by the current Receiver
for the job which is the most honored in our community."(Lowry). In a
community it. It is good to have structure but people should also have
choices to be identified as an individual. People in an ideal society
should learn and know about the past. People need to know about past
events because they need to learn from others mistakes and to prevent
tragedies from happening again.
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ReplyDeletea.) I think that the quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over", means that even though what the author is saying is fake events. The events could actually happen or the message of the fictional story could be a prediction or warning of something that could happen.
ReplyDeleteb.) I partially agree with this, because the message the fictional story is telling could either be very far from possible, or could be possible and could be saying something that is useful for future events, or future situations. On the other hand not all fiction is realistic at all or doesn't have a message to show the readers.
c.) in order to be considered human you would need to be able to show your own individuality. "ATTENTION. THIS IS A REMINDER TO FEMALES UNDER NINE THAT HAIR RIBBONS ARE TO BE NEATLY TIED AT ALL TIMES." Also to be human, people need rules but they also need freedom not just rules, so you can make decisions on your own. "New child Twenty- three,' the Namer had read. "Lily". The people in this community weren't allowed to have their own children or name the children, they were given to them.
d.) I think our shared history has effected us as humans. By what we have heard about we could learn from it and make our future lives better.
ReplyDeleteWhen the author says "fiction is a lie that tell is true things, over and over", I think that he means that fiction is a fantasy that gets told over and over again, such as stories like Cinderella, or Pooh Bear. They're fictional stories that have a meaning behind them, so when people tell them over and over again, other believe in the meaning behind it. I agree with the idea because the because fiction is a bunch of made up stories that when they're told over and over again, they begin to sound real. Fiction is a lie because it is not true. To be human means to be unique. I think the book is trying to tell us that we need to be unique in our own ways and have free will, and take risky chances in life. I think this because even Montag, as a firefighter, had owned many books, which was against the law. "... and moved still another sliding sheet of metal and took out a book. Without looking at it he dropped it to the floor. He put his hand back up and took out two books and moved his hand down and dropped the two books to the floor. He kept moving his hand and dropping books, small ones, fairly large ones, yellow, red, green ones" (31). Even Montag broke the rules, so I think the message that they are trying to get across here is to go out of your comfort zone, and do what you want, even if that means breaking a few of the rules. I do think that our shared history is something that makes us human because it shows we can all work together to change the ideas of life. People need to know about historical things to work together to prevent all the bad things that had happened in the past, from happening again. For example, we now have more security over important people since 9/11, The Boston Bombings, Paris attacks, assassinations of presidents, etc. Since all these things have happened in the past, we have now grown as a community to think of ways to protect each other form things like that happening again, or when they happen, they'll have less of an impact on our world because the problem will be more under control.
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ReplyDeleteI think he means that it is showing us what could happen if we continue with what we are doing. Fiction authors take aspects of our society and weave it with the lies that are the characters, societies, and governments to create the fiction stories we know as dystopias. I agree with the idea of fiction telling us true things, over and over. My reasoning can be inferred through this: How do authors get their ideas for a book, particularly a dystopian society? Many times, they use their knowledge of our modern world, and base their fiction off of a specific aspect of it. These aspects then become something that cause readers to think, what if? What if this actually happens? What will we do? And these are the questions that the author answers. These questions have to do with the previous statement. These true things make up a lie, the lie being that fiction.
As humans, we need the right to consume knowledge and the right to learn from our mistakes. This is impossible in Guy Montag's society. Books are illegal, history is made up, and the people are clueless. How, then, do they feel human? What differentiates us humans from other creatures is our mind. Our intelligence puts us above the rest, as long as we continue using it. The greatest humans we know had to know something about the world, and the only possible way to do that is to have knowledge. Knowledge of any kind is priceless, and it can change how we think about everything. People in Farenheit 451 don't have the privilege to use what they have been gifted as humans, this privilege being the right to use their minds to absorb the knowledge that should be available to them. In the book, "school is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored" (Bradbury 53). Society is trying to forget knowledge. But this, this is not what it should come to, and this novel—it's just trying to show us what will happen if we forget. In Montag's society, " 'people don’t talk about anything.' " Without any knowledge, " 'they all say the same things and nobody says anything different from anyone else' ” (Bradbury 28). No one can be there to show them what knowledge really means to humans and what true equality really is. If everyone is equal and unaware, who can be the knowledgable leader who can step up in a time of trouble to help people? Who can be the one to realize that this is all wrong? Let me put it clearly. If we forget our past, if we forget the real meaning of equality, then our mistakes will reoccur, our brains will be bleak, and we will no longer be human.
Our shared history is what makes us who we are. And last time I checked, we are human. Human, human, human. What does it mean to be human? In my opinion, it means to use our minds for what they are meant for, and to reflect on our past to improve our future. We spend all this time to learn more, and more, and more. But, what do we learn? We learn our past, and we use this knowledge to make more history, all of which impacts our future as humans. We have to be able to learn from the mistakes we made previously and use this knowledge to fix our future. Everything is for the future, and there can not be a future if there is no past.
We have to treasure all of this. We have to treasure what makes us human, we have to treasure what makes the future. We have to treasure knowledge. We have to treasure our past. Finally, we have to treasure our ability to understand enough to be able to treasure these things in life, and that is what dystopias such as Farenheit 451 are trying to tell us.
ReplyDeleteA) I think that the quote, "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" means that even though fictional books are not real stories, they still teach people imperative messages about life. In other words, the quote is trying to explain that fiction books always include an important moral that humans can learn from.
B) I definitely agree with the idea. Even though some fictional books include magic, new technology, odd societies, and many other types of imaginative ideas, they can still portray essential themes that can be useful to the readers about life.
C) In the book "Fahrenheit 451", the author is trying to tell the reader that people have to have awareness so that they can be human. In the novel, people do not know what the real meaning of happiness is, because the government has taken away all of their knowledge. The government believes that if history is lost, then people will have joy in their lives, because the people will not have anything that will remind them of sad occasions. In fact, that was why firemen were sent to people's houses to burn books. Beatty said that if someone wrote a "book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs... The cigarette people are weeping? Burn the book" (57). Instead of letting the people think meaningfully, the government created addictive technology that distracted citizens from what was happening in reality. People became focused on their unimportant television programs, and were totally ignorant and unaware to the events that occurred in the real world. People lived in a society where there was a fake type of happiness, because their realization was hidden from them. "I want to be happy, people say. Well, aren't they?" (Bradbury 56).
D) Our shared history is something that makes that makes us human. From history, people can learn from the mistakes that were made in the past. If shared history was lost, then people would repeat the same errors over and over again.
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ReplyDeleteI think that the sentence "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" means that means that even though fictional stories aren't true, they still tell us true ideas and give us words of wisdom. I agree with the idea, because even though fictional stories are made up, they still warn us about what the world could become, and help us better understand the world around us without using real people. I believe that my book is telling us that we need freedom of choice to be human. Without the ability to make decisions for ourselves, we can never make mistakes, and never be able to learn from those mistakes and not make them again. For example, Jonas is given a job that he didn't think was right for him. He thought, "he had been wrongly chosen...he was not the right one at all"(Lowry 63). Shared history also helps us be human. By remembering the past, we remember not to make the same mistakes. We can also reflect on our past to make better decisions in the future.
ReplyDeleteFahrenheit 451 is a dystopian novel written by Ray Bradbury. In the introduction there is a line that says "fiction is a lie that tells us true things". This statement is saying that although fiction is made up, it tells you about the true meaning of life. However there are two ways readers can view this. They could say that since "fiction is a lie" it is not true, but while reading fiction the plot the character and the setting could be fictional not all and not just one of these topics. The statement "fiction is a lie that tells us true things" is a statement that I agree with. Although fiction is fake and made up it gives us a sense of feeling and what it's like to live. In our society technology is starting to take over our lives, but books is how we learn, all learning comes from books no matter who it's written by, the type of book,, or format we all learn from books. In Fahrenheit 451 the theme is that we has humans should take time to ponder things and gain knowledge. In the book, the people in there society race through life and they never stop to notice the little things, such as nature. But there is one person that douse have time for stuff like that and notices the little things it's Clarisse an example is when "'sometimes 1 think drivers don't know what grass is, or flowers, because they never see them slowly'" (Bradbury 6). This is how Clarissa is different from the rest. Our shared history is something that makes us human. The past is what shaped our modern day society, but there have some positives and negatives. If we where to forget our past and history our lives would be incomplete. If you forget the past you'll forgot ho you met your pet or friend and how we are able to create inventions. It wont only affect our way of life but most importantly the way we as humans view topics. People "want to be happy (Bradbury 56). That why we should remember our past.
ReplyDeleteWhen the author, Ray Bradbury says "fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over", I think he means that in fiction writing, authors repeatedly write about about things that all have the potential to happen, but put them in a genre classified as "unreal". That in fiction books it can give a warning of what could happen to our society if things continue the way they are now. I do agree with this idea. I agree because, in all reality most events in fiction books could take place in real life and aren't that unimaginable. These books can show us what it would be like if modern day society continues to advance, leaving the world with some good and some bad aftermath. In the book I do think there is truth in what it is trying to tell us. In the book I think it's saying that the more obsessed and involved people get with technology the less people will begin to depend on other things such as books, therefore making them useless. On page 53, it says "School is shortened, discipline relaxed, philosophies, histories, languages dropped, English and spelling gradually gradually neglected, finally almost completely ignored." In this quote it shows how technology has impacted education of people, and many things such as spelling is neglected. I think this relates because in our society we have technology such as spellcheck, which causes us to decrease our knowledge of English and grammar. That, is one truth in the book and it does connect to today's society. Therefore, in the book it's telling you to keep your head out of technology and look around and see the real world and the beauty of it. I also agree that our shared history makes us human. I agree with this for many reason. Without knowing our shared history we would have no idea how we got to where we are as a whole. On page 56, it says " That's what we live for isn't it? For pleasure, for titillation? And you must admit our culture provides plenty of these." This quote shows that our culture provides us with pleasure, and our history is what makes up our culture. If we did not have books, or know about our past, our culture may not have been the same as it is. Leading to people not leading the same life of pleasure. We all share a history, that connects us all, and without this we may not be connected in the same way. As you can see our shared history makes us human.
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ReplyDeleteA. I think that the quote "fiction is a lie that tells us the truth, over and over," means that although the story line in fiction stories may not be true, it gives you a message that is true. For example, in the tortoise and the hare, although a tortoise never raced a hare, it teaches you that if you go through life slowly and steadily, you will be the over all winner.
B. Yes, I agree with the idea because in real life, people enjoy reading fictional stories much more than non fiction stories. If authors can successfully relay a message through fiction, it is a great way to teach people certain messages and it will most likely stick more.
C. I think our book is telling us that in order to be human, we need things like books and history to remind us of the past. The society in the book thinks that people will be happier if they don't know about the past or sad things. Because of this, they destroy all records of the past and books so that people don't know what it's like to have lived then. But in reality, we need the sad parts of our history to keep us human because they remind us of how we may have fallen, but together, we worked hard and got back up and we became stronger because of it. On page 57, it says "colored people don't like Little Black Sambo. Burn it" (57). Just because a part of our history makes people sad, or may be offensive to some people, doesn't mean we should wipe it off the face of the earth. It is important to know these things because then we can learn and not let it happen again. For example, if we completely forgot about 9/11, airport security would not be as tight as it is and an attack like that could happen at any time.
D. Our shared history is definitely something that makes us human because it shows how humans may have fallen, but they worked together and got back up stronger.
ReplyDeleteA. It means that an author will use many things, real and unreal to create a fake story. There are many aspects of real life combined with futuristic and science fiction items to make it seem real.
2. I agree because that there are a lot of unreal items and the story sometimes seems like it could become real.
3. People are banned to read and normally people would share Ideas to communicate. It's nonhuman to not read. On PDF page number 3,
"Do you ever read any of the books you burn?"
He laughed. "That's against the law!"
"Oh. Of course."
It says that it's illegal. People want to have one way to live and not change anything. They want everything the same.
4. Yes because if everything is the same, people cannot continue to advance and become better. Humans will deteriorate of resources and knowledge if no one shares ideas
a. "Fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over."
ReplyDeleteAlthough many aspects of fiction aren't reality, the message about life conveyed through the basic plot of any fictional story tells us a lot about what it means to be human. For example, Fahrenheit 451 tells us that society is definitely better when we can acknowledge the past, because we can learn from our mistakes. Talking about the past is not allowed in Montag's society, and the past was pretty much covered up and re-made fraudulently by the government. Being human means being curious, making mistakes, and learning from the past, but all of these things are absent in the futuristic society portrayed in Fahrenheit 451.
b. I do agree that fiction reveals some truth, because even if the characters and plot aren't real, one can still learn a lot from the events portrayed in a fictional story.
c. F451 is trying to tell us that we need to be unique in order to be human. Everybody is forced to be the same; nobody is more intelligent or "well-read" than their peers. In Montag's society, "the word 'intellectual'...became the swear word it deserved to be," according to Captain Beatty (Bradbury 55). "Not everyone is born free and equal, as the Constitution says, but everyone is made equal." (55) But with humanity comes difference, and peoples' differences is what makes our world so great to live in: it mixes things up and makes life interesting.
d. I do think that our shared history makes us human, because we all made the history together as a human race; this includes both victories and mistakes, for example, winning a war or losing a war. We stand together and stay together as people even when we fail miserably and especially when we can share in success.
A. I think that that quote means that fiction is a lie because it's not true, but it tells us true things over and over because even though the stories aren't true, they have messages to society and the readers that have meaning.
ReplyDeleteB. I agree with this statement befause fiction does tell us messages through out the story, over and over. So that's the truth in the lie over and over.
C. I think my book says we need feelings to be human, because Jonas and his family and his community talk about their feelings more than families nowadays, so they're more connected. "It was one of their rituals, the evening telling of feelings."
D. I think our shared history makes us more human because we all have something in common. If none of us knew about our history, none of us would be as close. Part of humanity is knowing where you've come from, so it does have something to do with being human.
ReplyDeleteFiction is a lie tell us the truth over and over... Fiction is usually unrealistic and it is made up. The people/characters, setting and problems are non-realistic. And how fiction tells us the truth over and over again is how it's telling us the morale or main message of the story. It's telling us the theme and what a important part my symbolize. I think that as well, actually, all stories have a moral. It's not exactly telling us vocally, but, I think that the book is trying to us the if you are a community, you need to communicate with each other, and that when we talk we will know what going on. And yeah, of course we need to interact with others and talk with others to understand each other. Sometimes the elders and 'government' are vague and won't say much to the community, therefore they are confused. Like when "all of the citizens had been ordered to go into the nearest building and stay there. IMMEDIATELY, the rasping voice thought the speakers had said. LEAVE YOUR BICYCLES WHERE THEY ARE... He had been frightened then"(Lowry 2). As you can tell, that would worry someone. Although the they might explain later, as it happens, the community and its people don't know or understand what's happening. Later on towards chapter 8, during a ceremonial my with the 12 year old assignments they (the elders) scare and upset Jonas, because they skipped him during assignments. She [then] "skipped me, Jonas thought, stunned... The Chief Elder made no mistakes...searched through his mind. What had he done wrong?"(Lowry 57-58). See, doing sometime people are used to or, accustomed to can create problems even stress. But, the Chief Elder was smart enough to then share her 'mistake' she said "'I know', she said in her vibrant, gracious voice, 'that you are all concerned. That you feel I have made a mistake'...'I apologize to my community'...'Jonas has not been assigned... Jonas has been selected'(Lowry 59-60). Another thing, that makes us human is learning our past history. A few things can come out of that, one- we can learn from mistakes and make sure they don't occur again... We can also, learn great feats and legacies .
A. He is telling us readers that the many lies that fiction may contain, has the truth hidden within it. Fiction, a made up story that may be based on few true facts. This truth to fiction is called the theme, a message that the story hints at indirectly. In science fiction, the truth hidden in lies is a small prediction of the future. A warning of such, that tells us where generations may lead.
ReplyDeleteB. I most definitely agree with this statement in whole. Many fictional stories or novels contain warning or briefly touch on the unknown problems of our world. While we live our lives, very little is changing everyday until the point where earth is totally transformed. Other than that, us readers could see fictional stories that we think are ridiculous, but is happening constantly half across the world. I believe that this statement is correct.
C. I think that we need knowledge and history to truly be a human being. All of the characters of F451 are relying on what the government tells them to do. The government creates many different things to distract people from knowing the real problem in the world. The government distorts the truth and tells the people that books are bad, even creating the firefighter job into burning books. This is why nobody is allowed to read books at all. On page 5, Clarisse asks, "'Do you ever read any of the books that you burn?' He laughed. 'Thats against the law'". Firefighters are manipulated into burning books when they should really be reading and learning from them. The government is making them inhumane and not intelligent when they have much more potential to be human.
D. I think that shared history does make us human. In my opinion, history is events that should be reflected upon to allow us to change how we act. It will help improve on many aspects so that the condition will not worsen. Also, shared history allows humans to evolve and change. We can share our history to also get closer together and interact instead of being individuals.
ReplyDeleteA. When the author states "fiction is a lie that tells true things, over and over", he is really representing the fact that fake stories and tales can really lead us to making interpretations about how our society will end up later on in life if we don't change how we are today. Using that quote, it is evident that if we do not stop with the constant use of advancing technology, then we will not be able to do things by ourselves and independently make it through this life without it. Additionally, Ray is explaining how we are very unaware of our surroundings, which is crucial in life to be able to exchange ideas with one another and see life in a whole new way.
B. I do agree with the idea. I can say this because if you take a simple glance at the world around us, people are always using technology. If technology were removed from this world, most people would not know how to do much. Although disagreed with in the novel, the knowledge filled within print and more can lead us to making wise decisions in life, something that most people do not pay attention to present day. People need to take a small moment to look at the world around them and adapt the adequate skills needed to be attainted to survive in this life without technology.
C. I think that our book is telling us many true things about what we need to be human. For instance, the author explains that when people are put in what should be social-filled situations, they do not communicate in the slightest bit--"being with people is nice. But I don't think it's social to get a bunch of people together and then not let them talk...an hour of TV class, an hour of basketball or baseball or running, another hour of transcription history of painting pictures, and more sports, but do you know, we never ask questions...They just run the answers at you...". This is very true in our society today, as when people are supposed to be engaged in activities not everyone has the chance to do, they indirectly toss them around as if they are nothing with the distractions of everyday technology. Additionally, he states that even though most people in the society of Fahrenheit 451 are unsocial, those who like being social and who pay attention to the real world around them are stuck doing things in life that do not require doing so--"they run us so ragged by the end of the day we can't do anything but go to bed or head for a Fun Park to bully people around, break windowpanes in the Window Smasher place, or wreck cars in the Car Wrecker place with the big steel ball. Or go out in the cars and race on the streets, trying to see how close you can get to lampposts, playing 'chicken' and 'knock hubcaps'" (Bradbury 27). Evidently, the author is trying to say that even those who are social cannot truly enjoy life without talking to one another, so all types of people are stuck in a situation of misery one way or another. However, as a final conclusion, the author explains that sometimes it is not good to be too social--"...doing nothing, rocking, talking; that was the wrong kind of social life" (Bradbury 60). This is most definitely worth pondering about, as although it is good to be social, it is also good to try new things in life and be adventurous, like exploring what technology has to offer--not all of it has negative consequences.
D. I do think that our shared history is something that makes us human. I can say this because people back then were much more thankful for what they had because of how aware they were of the world around them. However, although most people today are opposite when compared to, it is needed to be taken into consideration that our world is gradually changing, and it is out of anyone's power to stop that. People are making fascinating new discoveries with advancing technology and gaining knowledge with print that can lead us to make predictions and have a better future by making certain decisions in life.
A. Fiction means fake, or none realistic, fiction books have things that don't happen a lot in the real world, but like in The Giver, the author brings us messages that relate to the real world. The author uses symbols and compares them with real world problems
ReplyDeleteB. I do agree with the idea that "fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over", I agree because many stories may bring a powerful message to the reader, yes it is sometimes hard to notice the message that the author is trying to bring, but once you really do think about it, the message can really change your way of being. Fiction stories can bring messages that are more powerful than non-fiction stories.
C. I think that The Giver is telling us that to be human we need strong family relationships. I think this because, Jonas and his family aren't very attached to each, and family is very important. In The Giver they are very strict about relationships. On page 8 it reads "two children—one male, one female—to each family unit" (Lowry). This explains how they are forced to have a currant amount of kids, making it hard to have a close relationship with the children that aren't your by blood, and the children that you were forced to have, because maybe they wanted only one child, or even more.
D. I think that our shared history is something that does make us human, because of the mistakes that humans made in the past we are able to learn from mistakes, and in the future humans will look back at our mistakes that we had done and learn from them, and this will continue to happen. Since The Giver is taken place in the past, and their world is "perfect" they had probably learned from all of the mistakes that other past people had made, and they want their city to be perfect, so if anyone does something that is not on the "perfect" list, them the Elder will punish them.
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In the introduction of Fahrenheit 451, Ray Bradbury states that, "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over". This statement refers to the fact that fiction is made up, and is not true. It is considered a lie, containing made up characters with made up scenarios. But, Bradbury also states that fiction "tells us true things, over and over". Fiction, although it is entirely created up and not true, it highlights the mistakes and misunderstandings people make every day. Authors of fiction books, such as Ray Bradbury and Lois Lowry, take actuality, with actual issues during that time, and combine it with their creativity. But these true things can also be warnings about the future. The author of Fahrenheit 451 definitely includes warnings about the development of the country. In short, fiction, being a lie, contains problems and/or warnings about the real world today, therefore saying, "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over".
I agree with these words. Yes, fictions is a lie, but it can always give the slightest clue of the problems in our world. Many different books, from all different genres give information about the societies today. Percy Jackson, for example, tells everyone to be who they are. The issue the author, Rick Riordan, was probably trying to address was racism and discrimination - but obviously, Percy Jackson is totally fiction. But on the other hand, Percy Jackson can help readers understand that making assumptions can be dangerous and harmful. So, I do agree with this statement, because fictions books send out the message in a unique way that it makes it sense to the reader, as well as amusing.
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As people, we deserve to know and be aware of our surroundings. "It is better to be ignorant and happy than to be aware and upset," is one statement that applies to those living in a dystopian society ("Where Do You Stand"). In Fahrenheit 451, most people are ignorant about what they are missing in life - education and knowledge. Everyone chooses to be happy, and ignores the fact that they barely know anything. In schools, students have "an hour of TV class, and hour of basketball or baseball or running, another hour of transcription history or painting pictures, and more sports..." (Bradbury 27). These students don't realize how important education is, and that they are missing something that people all around the world are proud to have. Many people can't gain an education because of the lack of resources, but in Fahrenheit, firemen, such as Guy Montag and Captain Beatty, are burning these resources and restricting people from reading. Bradbury conveys the message that knowledge is a necessity that people should have in order to live fulfilling lives. The people in Fahrenheit 451 don't really understand the meaning of books. they just understand that meaningful books should be burned. Captain Beatty told Montag that books are "about nonexistent people, figments of imagination, if they're fiction. And if they're nonfiction, it's worse, one professor calling another an idiot, one philosopher screaming down another's gullet" (59). Captain Beatty surely didn't understand what the book he read was about, and he most probably read it with negativity - since his job is to burn them, he most likely didn't find it interesting because it was going to be burned anyways. Bradbury also addressed the fact that relying on technology is not a way to live a happy life. Mildred has three parlor walls and says, "It'll be even more fun when we can afford to have the fourth wall installed. It's only two thousand dollars. ... If we had a fourth wall, why it'd be just like this room wasn't ours at all, but all kinds of exotic people's rooms. We could do without a few things" (18). These parlor walls symbolize isolation and separation from the family. Once the fourth wall will be installed "and the dream complete, then it was the open car and Mildred driving a hundred miles an hour across town, he shouting at her and she shouting back and both trying to hear..." (43). Living with all four parlor walls, is definitely not a way to be happy. People should have as much education as they can, and shouldn't depend on technology a lot.
Our shared history is a part of humanity. In a dystopian society, the government believes that "it would be much better if all bad things were forgotten", which is obviously not true ("Where Do You Stand"). People make mistakes, and learn from them. When major events in the past are forgotten, all of that memory is erased - not only the name. The people in Fahrenheit 451 don't know their past, and therefore chaos can be easily created. The firemen don't realize that in the past (assuming that this book is in the future tense) firemen put out fires instead of creating them. Instead of helping people, like firemen do today, they hurt them. Many people, as stated in the book, have committed suicide for the sake of their books. If all bad things were forgotten, history would just repeat itself, which is not good at all.
In conclusion, fiction is a genre based off of nonfictional themes.
A. The quote, by Neil Gaiman, from the introduction of Fahrenheit 451 states that “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over.” The interpretation of the part “fiction is a lie” is quite straightforward: fiction is not true. Characters, events, objects: they are all imaginary or “a lie”. However, no matter how unrealistic the story may seem, there are always underlying morals that are embedded into the story. It is these morals that bring fiction to life, for the morals in fiction are what’s telling us “true things over and over." Most of the times, these morals are frequent or ones people have already experienced, thus the quote, “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over.”
ReplyDeleteB. I agree with this quote. Although fiction is a lie, it still offers us numerous real life assets. As a matter of fact, what make fictional literature so spell-binding is that it puts us in the minds of others, giving us to ability to see the world through a whole new set of eyes. Nonexistence doesn’t prevent us from feeling empathy but instead, transmits a message to the brain of the reader, allowing them to actively process the theme of the story.
C. In Fahrenheit 451, themes include taking time to admire and cherish the beauty of life, the need for socializing, and the importance of curiosity is essential to being human. Most people in the book “don’t know what grass is, or flowers, because they never see them slowly” (Bradbury 6). “Billboards have been extended to 200 feet” (Bradbury 9) since people are rushing the majority of the time. Unlike most people, Clarisse’s atypical family takes the time to socialize and ponder over the little things in life. Together, Clarisse’s family imagines “a man in the moon” (Bradbury 9). Their creativity and laughter strengthens their family bonds. On the other hand, Montag rarely ever interacts with Mildred, for “there was a wall between him and Mildred.” (Bradbury 41)? Mildred was always lost in her world with her imaginary, soap-opera, family, with literally three walls surrounding her. In their society, no one interacts with each other, let alone socialize. As the novel progresses, Montag becomes more curious about the world. When a woman commits suicide and dies with her books in a fire, Montag realizes that books may have a really important meaning. Suddenly, Montag craves for answers and wants to know why a woman is willing to sacrifice her life just for books, an object he has been burning all his life. Overtime, Montag realizes that his actions are just “a natural error. It’s just curiosity alone” (Bradbury 59), which is something that is deprived of people in his society. Bradbury uses his story of the future to show that it is essential for humans to enjoy life, socialize, and be curious.
D. Our shared history makes us human. Shared history doesn’t necessarily have to be about our past or what our ancestors did, but it can also symbolize the sharing of ideas, or simply, literature. For example, I have never read the play Romeo and Juliet. Instead, I can paint a picture in my head from information my peers and family member have told me about this play. The play, Romeo and Juliet, is a type of shared history and without it, the thoughts of our previous generations would have been lost.
Great job, Athena! I love the way you explained your thoughts, and your quotes fit perfectly with your thesis.
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ReplyDeleteA: I think that it means fiction is always telling us things that we can actually apply to real life. These things can be life lessons or views on different ideas that really happen in real life. Fiction can be a made up story but at the same time can be used as a fake situation that occurs in real life.
B: yes because there are several different times in real life where those lessons can be used. Also it can be used to learn more about our real life society even though it's a made up a story. And certain lessons in a fictional story could really inspire someone in real life to act a certain way the story portrayed or moralized.
C: That humans need to be able to have freedom to make their own decisions and do what they want. For example in the giver the girls have to wear ribbons in their hair until a certain age and the people of that civilization get assigned certain jobs. I think the book is telling us about how the society in the book is very strict and that in real life we need to not be like that and have to be much more lenient when it comes to certain freedoms that we have right now.
D:Yes because we need to learn from the past history and be more like if it was good or learn from it and Change if it was bad. Our past history that has been shared makes us human because all those things that happened before now make us what we are today and the different things in society are.
Part1. Fictions books are books that have made up characters and things that would not happened in real life. When it says fiction is a lie it's saying the stuff in it is not real, however fiction books can take place in a real place and time. Even though fiction books are not real, or lies, they have a theme to them, and the theme connects back to real things that our happing in our society. It not only connects the theme, but also emotion, and other elements that make people human, because part of being human is feeling emotion specific to an event that happened.
ReplyDeleteThe idea of fiction is a lie that tells true things is a common idea found within many fiction books. I agree with this idea because when you look at the theme of frictions books you can see it relates back to how we live our life's in our society or the many different society's around the world. The book can even tell us a indirect mistake that our society is creating. Also, when we read a dystopian books such as "Fahrenheit 451" we can easily spot what traits the people are missing. We can spot this since we have and live the traits the characters in the book don't have.
The book "Fahrenheit 451" takes place in a dystopian society were the government runs the people's lives. We see throughout the book that the people in, it including the main character, are missing human character traits. What they are missing in their lives can be easy spotted if you pay close attention, and there are a few things which they lack to be human. Firstly, no one is curiously about anything anymore. Montag says that Clarisse's question "'was a good question. It's been a long time since anyone cared enough to ask. A good question'"(26). Clarisse says to Montag that "we never ask questions, or at least most don't; they just run the answers at you"(27). People stopped asking questions about things and instead let answers be given to them either if they are true or not.
Part2. The biggest thing they are missing is the ability to communicate to one another. Without communication they don't care about one another and they live their lives without caring about anything. Clarisse gives Montag the information that "'people don't talk about anything'...'they all say the same things and nobody says anything different form anyone else'"(28). People in this world do the same things, and because they do the same things they can only talk about those things, and not talk about anything different which is why people talk less to each other. Betty said there should be "'more cartoons in books. More pictures. The mind drinks less and less. Impatience'"(54). Betty is explaining that people don't want to read, and they want to look at what's going on rather then use to words to picture what's going on. Betty when he said this is saying that people lost the capability of patience and don't want information to build on the brain, which is a trait that man lost. Montag remembered something Clarisse said when she was still alive, "architects got rid of front porches because they didn't look well...the real reason, hidden underneath, might be they didn't want people sitting like that, doing nothing, rocking, talking; that was the wrong kind of social life"(Bradbury, 60). The people lost communication with one another, and from the quote we can get a sense that the government wants it this way. The government wants it this way so people don't realize the government is bad, and the government losses power over people.
ReplyDeleteSharing our history with others is most important. If we share history with each other we gain knowledge about the different history's. Learning history tells us how we came to be and is a major part of humanity. Without the knowledge of history we would not know the events that happened long ago, and we would think that our society just started the way it is. We would even share the bad moments in our history. We would share the bad moments in history because then we would look back at those moments and correct our mistakes for future events. If we lose our knowledge on a bad history we can't correct that mistake again and we would always relive that bad history again in the future.
A.) This quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over", means that fiction isn't real, yet the concept teaches us in life.
ReplyDeleteB.)Yes because fiction still explains to readers that you don't need non-fiction articles to get the concept of life and reality.
C.)In our life, we have to have laws too and we have freedom however, their are no strict laws in our life and in the novel "The Giver", makes it clear that these people in the book have very little freedom. In novel their is a strict law of birth that you can only have "one male—one female—to each family unit..."(Lowry 8).
D.)Yes because textbooks, written records, everything that has information on us before we were born tells us many things that are important in life.
ReplyDeleteWhen he says "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" what he means is that fiction is real because it still has messages about our own society. I agree with this idea because I have read many books that are considered fiction but have societies much like our own that try to convey a message about our society.
In the book Fahrenheit 451 it explains some of the things we need to be human, mainly books because they are what is taken away in this fictional society. One example of this is in the introduction when it says, "Ideas, written ideas, are special. They are the way we transmit our stories and our thoughts from one generation to the next. If we lose them, we lose our shared history. We lose much of what makes us human"(page xv) What this quote is saying is that we need books of else we will loose our humanity. Another example of how we need books is in the introduction when it explains fiction saying, "fiction gives us empathy, it puts us inside the minds of other people, gives us the gift of seeing the world through their eyes"(xvi) What this quote means is that fiction books are good for our creativity and we need them to be human just like other books.
In addition I believe that it is evident that our shared history makes us human because it shows that we are all connected, and through being connected with each other we all are a bit more human.
A. I think that quote, “Fiction is a lie that tells us truth things, over and over.” tells us that authors are using stories with make believe characters to show us flaws in our world. They also show us what could happen if we don't try to fix those flaws. Fictional books have inner meanings that can teach us something, even if the story can never actually happen. Authors try and use people and objects that we are comfortable with to show us something we didn't realize or teach us something that can help us in the future.
ReplyDeleteB. I agree with this quote because no matter what happens in the story it can always relate to our lives.
C. I think the theme of Fahrenheit 451 so far is that we should think for ourselves and not let other people tell us what to think. This is shown in the book when Mildred is talking to Montag about his job as a firemen. Mildred says, “ ‘You should’ve thought of that before becoming a fireman’ ” (Bradbury 49). Montag responds by stating, “ ‘Thought!...Was I given a choice?’ ” Through this quote, it is clear that people in this society do not know how to think for themselves. They have no interest in gaining more knowledge or making their own choices. In the society of Fahrenheit 451 does not encourage thinking. They only give people the simplest ideas for any topics everything, “ ‘became simpler...because they had mass…’ ” (51). When Beatty was talking to Montag in his room, Montag asks Beatty about Clarisse. Beatty says, “ ‘She didn't want to know how a thing was done, but why...You ask Why to a lot of things and you wind up very unhappy indeed, if you keep at it. The poor girl’s better off dead’ ” (58). Beatty also describes the people in the society as simple minded when he says, “ ‘...don't give him two sides to a question to worry about; give him one. Better yet, give him none.’ ” All of the things the Captain is saying shows that thinking was never encouraged. No one thinks for themselves. Everyone depends on technology or the government to tell them what to think and do.
D. I definitely think that our shared history is something that makes us human because it connects all of us together. So no matter what happens in the world we all come from a common history. I think it also allows us to learn from mistakes and advance as a society.
The phrase, "fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over again," means that fiction is something that is untrue. The plot and the characters are made up. Fiction conveys something that is realistic and relatable in a set up which is not real or it didn't occur. In almost any fiction books the reader can catch feeling and thoughts passing in the text which the reader could have. Things get very realistic and relatable in fiction. But as stated, it's just a lie. Every fiction book repeats over and over with the same story in a different setup. It's all a lie yet very true. The message is true, but the story isn't. Fiction helps us realize many things that we often forget as humans.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with this statement. Because it is true. It makes sense. It's true that fiction is a group of made up words and characters, but the message it is giving us is going to be very powerful. Fiction takes a plain and boring sentence ( aka the theme) and creates a whole other universe. It helps the reader understand situations that us as humans don't comprehend. Truly it doesn't matter if the characters or the setting is unreal. We are sure that it is a lie that Edward Cullen isn't truly living among us. But we related their stories to ours, to make our lives just as them. Fiction gives us an idea of what we don't have I our lives, how we can make our lives fulfilled. Stories sometimes are inspiring, sometimes it's touching, sometimes you hate it, and sometimes you start crying because if it because it is so deep. It happens to a lot of people because starts up our emotions and even though we know about a certain thing, fiction can take it way beyond what we actually think about . Edward Cullen and Bella Swan symbolize how difficult love is even if we know it. There are countless other love stories just the way this one was written, and they all have almost the same message. It is a lie yet it is true.
There are several true things Fahrenheit 451 is telling the reader. One of them happen to be that we as humans cannot forget our past. Clarisse, Montag's neighbor, always seemed different to Montag. Once Clarisse was talking to Monatg about how she liked to watch people and what they would talk about. But some she found out, "people don't talk about anything," ( Bradbury 28). " No, not anything. They name a lot of cars or clothes or swimming pools mostly and they say how swell! But they say the same things and nobody says anything different from anyone else.....and at the museums. All abstract, that is all there is now. My uncle says it was different one. A long time back sometimes pictures said things or even showed people" (28). That way that Clarisse had expressed how simply different our way of living right now is compared to the future is giving us a hint not to spoil or forget the way we lived or our past.
Our shared history makes us human. This is simple. Our history made us who we are right now this minute. The events, each and everyone, matter tremendously because if those events didn't happen. We would be different. What we do our rights, our wrongs, our goods, and our bads help us in the future. Our mistakes help us gain the knowledge of not doing that again. We learn from our mistakes and from each other. As always two heads are better than one. If shared history were to be forgotten, maybe we wouldn't even be here right now as a human. The events that happened are so significant that if even something small is effected we would be somewhere else. Therefore shared history is very important and it is what makes us human.
Good job, Anju! I like the way your explained your thoughts very clearly.
DeleteFiction is something imaginary that sparks curiosity and creativity in the real world. Although the story itself is fictional, the message comes through inspiring true things in life. Fiction is one of the most important elements in life, and without it we would not have all of the things we have today. Imagination, ironically, sparks the most realistic things. I agree and disagree that “fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over”. I don't believe that fiction is a lie: it is merely a tapestry of truth with holes in it, and the holes are filled with imagined things. I believe that our history as people is as important to our lives as oxygen. As social creatures, we need to have knowledge of humanity’s past, and it is part of what makes a human a human.
ReplyDeleteA. When he means that fiction tells lies that are true over and over, he means that fiction stories always have a theme, this also applies to songs. Even the bad ones.
ReplyDeleteB.Yes, because fiction books are not real but they give us messages about real life and what we should be aware of so we do not make the same mistake again.
C. I think our book is telling that we need to acknowledge the past because it effects the future because we can't change the past. In Fahrenheit it is trying to tell us that we need to keep track of the past and what happens because it can change how we live and what we do in our lives
D) I think our shared history is something that makes us human. This is because we need to remember tragic events, for example 911, and the Boston marathon bombings to make us eligible to move on, and become stronger from these tragic events. History is something we need to remember so we can become stronger, and smarter as a whole. For example when America first gained its independence on July 4th, we remember this history, and we celebrate it as a whole country in America. We need to remember these important events, and these events make us human as a whole.
By this quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over”. It is telling us that there are make believe characters, and made up societies. That show us that the main reason of the fiction story is telling us what is happening in real life. What the flaws are in our society today.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with the idea, because the author has a creative idea and story but people can see the main reason of the story. It is to see that it is something based on reality, to show the reader the theme.
Some books show us that there our flaws in our society, and in another way there our good things in our society. My book is the giver, the society is strict and everyone is assigned a role a job. Everybody is safe but, there is no freedom and rights for the human being, at the age of 11 they are handed a bike for a promotion or some reason. The point is that the Giver is showing us that we are lucky as humans to have our rights and freedom. To me as a human being, to be free is the most important thing to me.
Humans sharing history, it is something that makes us human. Humans developed throughout time by living with each other, and working together. Ideas were created from humans creating things , that is what made humans evolved. By sharing a history, it is something that makes us human by developing and becoming smarter and smarter people have creating new things that were useful to the world and new things are created everyday. This is what makes us human.
A, i think that the meaning " fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over" is that i think that the author is saying that fiction is fake it has an important message.
ReplyDeleteB, yes i do agree with that idea because ver valuable and important messages could be sent through fictional stories. Such as the rabbit and the tortes the theme was to never give up.
C, i think that the book is telling us that to be human you need to have an education and have emotions, because without we are all just mindless zombies kept in the dark from what was really happening outside. And we need history of what happened in the past so we can learn from our mistakes.
D, yes i do think our shared history does make us human because we would have knowledge of the past. So we can learn from our mistakes and see what civilization survived the longest and learn from that. Slowly we can all make improvements in the way our society can function so we can survive.
When he states “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over”? He trying to say that fiction isn't real, but is trying to teach us a conception.
ReplyDeleteI think the book is trying to say that you don't need a non-fiction article to get a true meaning or concept in the real world or even in life. All you need is someone trying to tell you something important in a fictional way.
I think our shared history is something that makes us human because some people may know your history but not just you.
a. Fiction is made up, it's hadn't happened, it isn't real. Though, some parts of the book may have happened or are similar. I think that the quote means even though fiction isn't real, the message and feeling it's supposed portray upon you, are real
ReplyDeleteB. I completely agree, books contain messages parts to make us show emotion. Often books contain messages encouraging you too make a stand, follow your heart. I believe that the society in Fahrenheit 451 do not want to encourage anything similar to that. It's like every book is on the banned book list so they get rid of them. They can't have anyone go against their rules, than other people will realize that their society is a bit messed up. Not to mention they contain hint to the past
C. I believe the my book, Fahrenheit 451, is trying to show the importance of books. Without books I don't think that kids would grow up with hope. They read books about the hero or their prince in shining armor. Kids wouldn't have dreams about what they wanted to be or to save the world. Also without books or proof, you could believe anything someone says about the past. Clarisse believed Montag when he said "houses have always been waterproof, take my word for it" (Bradbury 6). This is obviously a incorrect fact, but Clarisse wouldn't know that from her lack of teaching. Books are used for teaching history, work, life lessons, ect. But without them, you can't know much. Which is what I think the government in this book wants
D. I do believe that our shared history makes us human. I think this because we connect on how we ended up where we are. Our past ancestors made trips and journeys to get a better life and like to know how they got there. They also made mistakes that we know now not to make.
When the author say “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over” he means that although they may be fictional elements in stories it tells us a lesson or moral. In science fiction the author uses the genre to convey a message about our current society. I agree with this idea because fiction may be fake and made up it still teaches morals and lessons. For example in the book fahrenhit 451 the characters and societal structure are made up, however, the message that technology may be taking over our lives is too true. Mildreds imaginary world with her tv family members disconnects her with real life. This is showed when on page 42 when montag says "what was it all? Mildred couldn't say". Mildred didnt know "Who was mad at whom"? There were so many things that "Mildred didn't quite know." She was unable to understand "What were they going to do"? Because mildred is so dumbed down by technology she doesn't even understand what she is watching. All these problems are present because of the lack of knowledge that the people have about how things were before. In our world all of us humans know about how things were before (slavery, wars, genocide). This makes us human because we look at the pros and cons of certain situation back then and we either do everything we can to prevent it or everything we can to recreate it. Overall, fiction indeed may be fake but it is necessary to understand the themes and messages passed down by our fellow humans.
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ReplyDeleteA) I think that by saying "fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over"he is telling us fiction story's are always fake but they always have a life lesson.
B) Yes I agree with him because some story's may be weird but they always have something you can learn from it like the story the tortoise and the hare.
C)I think the book is trying to tell us that we need to make our own decisions, and need an education to be human. And If we don't remember the past then we wouldn't be able to improve on the future
D)I think that we do need shared history because to improve on the future we need to know how to fix mistakes in the past. If we weren't told about the things in the past how would we fix our mistakes like 9/11.
A. I think what the author means by "fiction is a lie, that tells us true things over and over again."
ReplyDeleteIs that parts of fiction might be made up but there is still some reality to it.
B. Yes, because real lessons can be taught and learned through fiction stories and can inform the reader on things that are actually happening in society and how they can be changed or stopped.
C. I think that the Giver is telling us that we need the power of choice to be fully human and we need the power to think and choose for ourselves to fully experience life. "Two children- One male, one female - to each family unit. It was written very clearly in the rules." The people in the Community had no say in anything that they did.
D. I think that shared history is something that makes us human because we learn from one another and help each other to go forward.
I think "fiction is a lie that tells us true things over and over" means that fiction tells us a story that isn't true but it has true themes and concepts hidden in them to tell us something that will help with our lives. I agree with this because I think most fiction stories tell us an important moral inside a fictional story. Fake characters go through problems we face and fix it. That teaches us how to fix our problems. I think Fahrenheit 451 teaches us that humans need to have creativity and imagination in our lives. The people in the book say, "Not everyone born free and equal, as the constitution says, but everyone made equal" This shows how the people in Fahrenheit 451 don't want anyone to be able to think more than others. They don't allow people to be curious or imaginative, which is something we need to be human. I think our history is something that makes us human because we have to ask questions and make mistakes to learn from our mistakes. Learning from our mistakes is something that makes humans unique.
DeleteIn Fahrenheit 451 the quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" means that the fiction in the book that the stuff that is made up, can teach us lessons and can have true ideas and the themes in fiction, can apply to real life situations.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with the quote because although fiction books are made up, the themes and lessons are true and can be related to real life.
My book The Giver is telling us to be human all decisions must be made for us like marriage, family, and jobs. The book is telling us that we don't need decisions to be able to live, but clearly we do need decisions in order to be human. "You know the rules, two children, one male, one female" (Lowry 8).
Our shared history does make us human because since we know what happens in the past we can fix our mistakes that we've made so they won't happen again. Like for instance with 9/11, our security is much tighter now because of those events that happen so it won't happen again.
When the author says that “fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over” I think he is trying to say that although the events, and people in fiction books are fake, the meaning behind all the books are real. There is always a theme or message that the author conveys through the text.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with the idea. Theme is a big part of all books, no matter what genre. The author always uses text to give the reader a message like follow your dreams, or never give up.
My book, Fahrenheit 451, the author tells us that everyone must think for themselves and not let others tell them what to do. This message is shown many times throughout the novel. One time is when Montag tells Clarisse “you think too many things” (6). Clarisse then goes on to tell Montag some of the things she has learned while thinking. Montag became slightly aggravated because he wanted to be able to think and know more things.
Do you think our shared history is something that makes us human? Explain. Our shared history is completely something that makes us human. Many events have proven this. From 9/11 when airport security was improved everywhere to keep people safe. And simple things like certain things that ancient humans may have done long before now. Everything that has ever happened has an impact, the impact may be small, but it is still an impact. If history was forgotten the same mistakes would be made, we would repeat what already happened but never learn from things. Our past is what makes the future.
A: I think the quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over" , means that the actual information might not be real, but the overall message and theme is trying to show the reader something important and true.
ReplyDeleteB: Yes, I agree with the idea because many fictional books that I have read in the past always have had a theme or important message that the author is trying to get across to the reader.
C: The book Fahrenheit 451 is trying to tell the reader that we need to interact with people face to face, not through technology. The books is says that people are getting addicted to new advances in technology that people are missing the real feeling and important of talking face to face. In the book Mildred is always addicted to the "relatives", that she never talks to Montag. On page 18 Mildred says
'" How long you figure before we save up and get the fourth wall torn out and a fourth wall-TV put in? It's only two thousand dollars.'
'That's one-third of my yearly pay'"(Bradbury18). Mildred doesn't even care about how much the wall-TV cost. Mildred is so involved in her technology that she doesn't pay attention to Montag unless she is asking for something.
D: I think that our shared history definitely makes us human. If we new nothing about the past I think that many mistakes that humans have made in the past would repeat themselves over again. I also think that people learn from each other, by learning from each other we gain knowledge. With the knowledge that we learn our society is able to grow and become more advanced in many different ways.
The quote "fiction is a lie that tells us true things, over and over," is telling us that there are make believe characters, and made up societies, but at the same time it shows us the very real idea that our society could become like those in dystopian books. It pin points what the flaws are in our society today.
ReplyDeleteI do agree with the idea, because the author has a creative idea and story but people can see the main reason of the story. It is to see that it is something based on reality, to show the reader the theme.
Some books show us that there our flaws in our society, and in another way there our good things in our society. My book is the giver, the society is strict and everyone is assigned a role a job. Everybody is safe but, there is no freedom and rights for the human being, at the age of 11 they are handed a bike for a promotion or some reason. The point is that the Giver is showing us that we are lucky as humans to have our rights and freedom. To me as a human being, to be free is the most important thing to me.
Humans sharing history, it is something that makes us human. Humans developed throughout time by living with each other, and working together. Ideas were created from humans creating things , that is what made humans evolved. By sharing a history, it is something that makes us human by developing and becoming smarter and smarter people have creating new things that were useful to the world and new things are created everyday.